Subaru BRZ Forum banner

1 - 20 of 54 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
So after my parents put 500$ down for my moms BRZ, we were told the list is 30 people long. We knew going into it there was going to be a wait no matter what (build time or wait on a list). But 30 people and supposedly dealers are only getting 25 a year? I get that some of those 30 might go elsewhere, back out, change their minds ETC. But even if HALF of them do that then there is still a 6 month wait?

She legitimately did a build sheet so its being built for her, but the dealer made it sound like she has to wait until her number is "up" so to speak or if people ahead of her turn down a specific BRZ, then she would get a shot at picking it up.

We dealt with Subaru Superstore in Chandler Arizona if that matters, most all Subi dealers down here have a list for BRZ's. My question is once her car is built, and gets here, does it go to someone on the list before her? or does she get it regardless of if someone had ordered the exact same build and put down a deposit ahead of her.

Its just confusing, and i know she would like to have the car as soon as possible since she loved driving it (test drive).

Thanks.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
126 Posts
Most dealers will go down the list. If one of the 30 before her has the same build specs, they will be offered the car first and if they back out, they move down the list. The trend seems to be that Subaru is allocating cars based on WRX/STi sales so most of the cars are being shipped to the North East and the rest of the country has massive lists. If your mom really wants the car ASAP, her best bet is to look on cars.com or autotrader.com for a car in a neighboring state that fits her specs and get it shipped or travel to pick it up. I know quite a few folks have actually bought their cars from the North East and either flown in and drove it back or had the car shipped.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
Most dealers will go down the list. If one of the 30 before her has the same build specs, they will be offered the car first and if they back out, they move down the list. The trend seems to be that Subaru is allocating cars based on WRX/STi sales so most of the cars are being shipped to the North East and the rest of the country has massive lists. If your mom really wants the car ASAP, her best bet is to look on cars.com or autotrader.com for a car in a neighboring state that fits her specs and get it shipped or travel to pick it up. I know quite a few folks have actually bought their cars from the North East and either flown in and drove it back or had the car shipped.
Thanks for the reply, it may come but that but its doubtful, closest are in Cali and they are selling premiums for 32k+. Its nuts. For now we will wait, but im sure a WR Blue Pearl BRZ is pretty wanted so whatever of them come in prior to her number will get ghosted. Ill be sure to let her know not to worry about calling SOA about a vin, since that wont mean anything really.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
113 Posts
I got my vin in august..expecting the car on the 19th of this month..im from central cali n the dealership is selling the car to me for 31k including tax n registration..white limited mt..

Sent from my HTC Glacier using AutoGuide.Com Free App
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
Thanks for the info, it was Subaru of Ontario and 2 other dealers showing 2+ there at the price, they were asking 5k more than list price AT LEAST.

Our biggest issue is if we choose to fly somewhere and drive back, is if it should throw a CEL or drop into limp mode on the way back. I dont wanna think negative but others have had it happen. It would be bad enough for us being 70 miles from a dealership but being 500+ miles from home and who knows how far from a dealer, not good.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Ok I'm gonna throw this out there, because its what I did. I Ordered one in PA, and was on the waiting list for 6 weeks, still no vin, and expected delivery around october - december. So checked the forums found these guys: Patrick Subaru and that was a week ago, I'm going up to drive my BRZ home on Saturday. They were extremely helpful and actually lower price then my dealership down here. Just shoot them an email, or give them a call, Good peeps.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
126 Posts
Ok I'm gonna throw this out there, because its what I did. I Ordered one in PA, and was on the waiting list for 6 weeks, still no vin, and expected delivery around october - december. So checked the forums found these guys: Patrick Subaru and that was a week ago, I'm going up to drive my BRZ home on Saturday. They were extremely helpful and actually lower price then my dealership down here. Just shoot them an email, or give them a call, Good peeps.
Only issue with that is that the OP is in Arizona and the dealership is in MA.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #8 ·
Thanks CNK, yeah we are too far away from that dealer, ive exhausted most realistic options, if within 2-3 months we have no word then we may just have to drive to Colorado to get one (they seem to always have 4-5 sitting at dealerships at a good price)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
318 Posts
To explain the order and "build" procedure for subaru, what usually happens is that when a dealer submit an order on your behalf, Subaru adds that dealer/order to a wait list. They do not literally build the car per your order, but rather build them in batches of similar options, colors, etc. When they DO build a car that matches up to your order, they go down the list and see whose name is first and then ship that car to that particular dealer. It's up to the dealer to get the car to you after that. If they decide to have a "list" of their own, then you're gonna wait just a bit longer. Now... unlike other cars, the BRZ specifically had allocations given to dealers BEFORE the order process was in place and allocation is based on WRX and STI sales from the previous year. All the dealerships in the snow belt who had record year w/ WRX and STI last year will get most of the BRZ this year. I imagine the CO dealers and possibly some in the Northwest region will be like the NE dealers here where we're allocated 20-30 cars per dealer for the year, but we've only submitted 10-15 orders, Subaru is still going to send us those 20-30 cars regardless. Hence there will be dealers with cars sitting on the lot, unclaimed.

If you're in a region being charged 2-3k over MSRP for these cars because of "limited availability," seriously consider just buying something off the lot of dealer out of region like adeets did. I looked up cost for enclosed-container shipping for as far as MA to Texas and it was about 1800 including all fees. I'd imagine CO to AZ would be about the same. Now you don't have to worry about driving 500+ miles and CEL as even with the extra shipping cost, you're still doing better than buying locally and you wouldn't have to wait months for it. I'm usually a huge supporter of buying local, but when you're being shafted by your local dealer and can do better elsewhere, then the hell with them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
169 Posts
My personal experience with that Subaru dealer was horrible. I was making a deal with a sales person there when they yanked the car out from under me and sold it to someone else. With all things in life YMMV but I would never buy a car from that dealer, ever.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Jduffy, many friends have dealt with them before and this salesman in particular, nothing but good things have been said and he has treated us very well, hence why he got our business.
To explain the order and "build" procedure for subaru, what usually happens is that when a dealer submit an order on your behalf, Subaru adds that dealer/order to a wait list. They do not literally build the car per your order, but rather build them in batches of similar options, colors, etc. When they DO build a car that matches up to your order, they go down the list and see whose name is first and then ship that car to that particular dealer. It's up to the dealer to get the car to you after that. If they decide to have a "list" of their own, then you're gonna wait just a bit longer. Now... unlike other cars, the BRZ specifically had allocations given to dealers BEFORE the order process was in place and allocation is based on WRX and STI sales from the previous year. All the dealerships in the snow belt who had record year w/ WRX and STI last year will get most of the BRZ this year. I imagine the CO dealers and possibly some in the Northwest region will be like the NE dealers here where we're allocated 20-30 cars per dealer for the year, but we've only submitted 10-15 orders, Subaru is still going to send us those 20-30 cars regardless. Hence there will be dealers with cars sitting on the lot, unclaimed.

If you're in a region being charged 2-3k over MSRP for these cars because of "limited availability," seriously consider just buying something off the lot of dealer out of region like adeets did. I looked up cost for enclosed-container shipping for as far as MA to Texas and it was about 1800 including all fees. I'd imagine CO to AZ would be about the same. Now you don't have to worry about driving 500+ miles and CEL as even with the extra shipping cost, you're still doing better than buying locally and you wouldn't have to wait months for it. I'm usually a huge supporter of buying local, but when you're being shafted by your local dealer and can do better elsewhere, then the hell with them.
I was hoping you would chime in my good sir. And its just in some dealerships in the surrounding areas they are marking up cars. The dealer we are getting ours from is charging MSRP, no mark ups. But the dealer across town is getting one IDENTICAL to what we want in just about 2 weeks, unclaimed WRB 6 speed limited, loaded. BUT they want 2k over MSRP and wont budge since they have sold all theirs with at least a 2k markup with no problems.

Its MUCH worse in Cali, but in Colorado they seem to be charging MSRP or around it, but my folks continue to say the longer the wait the bigger the down payment. Their car so that is their decision in the end.

I just hope it shows up before Christmas.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
53 Posts
To explain the order and "build" procedure for subaru, what usually happens is that when a dealer submit an order on your behalf, Subaru adds that dealer/order to a wait list. They do not literally build the car per your order, but rather build them in batches of similar options, colors, etc. When they DO build a car that matches up to your order, they go down the list and see whose name is first and then ship that car to that particular dealer. It's up to the dealer to get the car to you after that. If they decide to have a "list" of their own, then you're gonna wait just a bit longer. Now... unlike other cars, the BRZ specifically had allocations given to dealers BEFORE the order process was in place and allocation is based on WRX and STI sales from the previous year. All the dealerships in the snow belt who had record year w/ WRX and STI last year will get most of the BRZ this year. I imagine the CO dealers and possibly some in the Northwest region will be like the NE dealers here where we're allocated 20-30 cars per dealer for the year, but we've only submitted 10-15 orders, Subaru is still going to send us those 20-30 cars regardless. Hence there will be dealers with cars sitting on the lot, unclaimed.

If you're in a region being charged 2-3k over MSRP for these cars because of "limited availability," seriously consider just buying something off the lot of dealer out of region like adeets did. I looked up cost for enclosed-container shipping for as far as MA to Texas and it was about 1800 including all fees. I'd imagine CO to AZ would be about the same. Now you don't have to worry about driving 500+ miles and CEL as even with the extra shipping cost, you're still doing better than buying locally and you wouldn't have to wait months for it. I'm usually a huge supporter of buying local, but when you're being shafted by your local dealer and can do better elsewhere, then the hell with them.

Thanks for trying to explain the process somewhat.
For those of us that have waited over five months for the car they've ordered, have literally no idea when it will be built or shipped (no VIN or ETA), and seen people on this and other BRZ forums who ordered the same car much later and have theirs already, it's incredibly frustrating. I personally do not believe that Subaru is following the process you have described. Here's why. I have seen several cars identical to what I ordered show up on lots across the country (mostly on the east coast) with nobody's name on them in the last two months. Where is mine? My dealer and SOA have no answers. Just " Your car is coming"
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
53 Posts
The dealer we are getting ours from is charging MSRP, no mark ups. But the dealer across town is one IDENTICAL to what we want in just about 2 weeks, unclaimed WRB 6 speed limited, loaded. BUT they want 2k over MSRP and wont budge since they have sold all theirs with at least a 2k markup with no problem
Another example of a process not being followed or ignored. This car could have easily been re-routed to a customer who wants it across town. Seems like a lack of organization, or simple greed.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
318 Posts
Pete, to answer both of your points:

1) it depends on where you are and how many brz's your local dealer is getting. If you're # 6 at a dealer scheduled to receive only 5 cars for the whole year, you're pretty much shafted unless one of the people infront of you give up their order. secondly, I hate to say it this way, but if you're #6 order at a dealer that's scheduled to receive only 5 cars for the year, you're not as high a priority as the #10 order from a dealer scheduled to receive 30 cars. The other reason why you might see cars just sitting on a dealer lot at another dealer is because the person who originally ordered that car declined to take that car (as we all know, sh*t happens...). This leads us to...

2) Once a car is shipped to a dealer, it officially belongs to that dealer. Every car shipped to a dealer is paid for by a "floor plan" company that ends up charging interest on that car. When the dealer sells the car, they pay back the floor plan company + interests owed. Usually, the manufacturer compensate the dealer the cost of floor plan (the interest paid) AFTER they sell a car. Hence why you see cars are not shipped from one dealer to the next after the order is cancelled. If the swapping of cars happen, it's actually one dealer buying the car from another and then reselling it to you. Now, most dealers will swap any car in their inventory except Impreza, BRZ, and WRX as those are the cars that can't be replaced so easily. Most dealers will only swap out their BRZ if the other dealer can give one back in return (swapping a premium or a ltd, or doing a color swap).

Again, I'm a huge supporter of buying local and supporting local business. But if your local dealer is shafting you, it's best to move on.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #15 ·
Pete, to answer both of your points:

1) it depends on where you are and how many brz's your local dealer is getting. If you're # 6 at a dealer scheduled to receive only 5 cars for the whole year, you're pretty much shafted unless one of the people infront of you give up their order. secondly, I hate to say it this way, but if you're #6 order at a dealer that's scheduled to receive only 5 cars for the year, you're not as high a priority as the #10 order from a dealer scheduled to receive 30 cars. The other reason why you might see cars just sitting on a dealer lot at another dealer is because the person who originally ordered that car declined to take that car (as we all know, sh*t happens...). This leads us to...

2) Once a car is shipped to a dealer, it officially belongs to that dealer. Every car shipped to a dealer is paid for by a "floor plan" company that ends up charging interest on that car. When the dealer sells the car, they pay back the floor plan company + interests owed. Usually, the manufacturer compensate the dealer the cost of floor plan (the interest paid) AFTER they sell a car. Hence why you see cars are not shipped from one dealer to the next after the order is cancelled. If the swapping of cars happen, it's actually one dealer buying the car from another and then reselling it to you. Now, most dealers will swap any car in their inventory except Impreza, BRZ, and WRX as those are the cars that can't be replaced so easily. Most dealers will only swap out their BRZ if the other dealer can give one back in return (swapping a premium or a ltd, or doing a color swap).

Again, I'm a huge supporter of buying local and supporting local business. But if your local dealer is shafting you, it's best to move on.
OK you had just posted that a dealer is allocated X number of cars per year, lets say 25. They will get those 25 no matter what pretty much BUT if Y number of people order/get on a list that Subaru will allocate Y number of cars as they are produced to that dealership asking for them. With Y cars being ontop of X cars already slated to go to said dealership.

But now your saying that if the list exceeds the number of cars allocated per year that you are "shafted". So should i assume since were number 30 on the list at our dealer, and they are getting allocated 30 per year (im told) that we will be waiting a year?

Or is it like you said before, the dealership gets the cars it is slated for on allocation and the orders are sent to them ONTOP of the cars to be sent to them already. So if they were supposed to be allocated 20 a year, and they get 20 orders, if all orders come through they would sell 40+ BRZ a year (depending on how many orders also matched allocated cars of course).

Basically what im asking is if we should try another avenue since we may be waiting a year? (being on a list larger than the dealerships yearly allocation number)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
126 Posts
The way I understand it is if they're allocated X amount, that amount can be filled with orders or whatever they happen to ship that dealer. There is no X amount allocated plus Y amount of orders.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
I am a manager at a Subaru dealer in New England, and BRZREP explained everything pretty much spot on. Once we have the cars there pretty much ours to do what we want with them, and basically I am very much on the same page of staying local.....except for when your getting feed a bunch of crap... it's nuts to me the amount you are all having to pay for these, when there are a lot of dealers with cars available all around me... most of which you can get a great deal below MSRP. As a rough example I just looked and there are 75 in new england as I write this and 63 of which are limited 6MT... It almost looks like if you had the time.... flying up and buying one and driving it back would be a pretty decent avenue. If anyone wants a dealer or two to call send me a message and I can tell you who has what.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
318 Posts
OK you had just posted that a dealer is allocated X number of cars per year, lets say 25. They will get those 25 no matter what pretty much BUT if Y number of people order/get on a list that Subaru will allocate Y number of cars as they are produced to that dealership asking for them. With Y cars being ontop of X cars already slated to go to said dealership.

But now your saying that if the list exceeds the number of cars allocated per year that you are "shafted". So should i assume since were number 30 on the list at our dealer, and they are getting allocated 30 per year (im told) that we will be waiting a year?

Or is it like you said before, the dealership gets the cars it is slated for on allocation and the orders are sent to them ONTOP of the cars to be sent to them already. So if they were supposed to be allocated 20 a year, and they get 20 orders, if all orders come through they would sell 40+ BRZ a year (depending on how many orders also matched allocated cars of course).

Basically what im asking is if we should try another avenue since we may be waiting a year? (being on a list larger than the dealerships yearly allocation number)
CNK had it right. What your allocated for this year is what you're going to get. 4subysdeep might be able to confirm, but I believe the #'s of BRZ each dealer is allocated for "this year" is for up to end of November. What each dealer is getting "next year" is up in the air right now. Again, you might not be shafted yet if someone had ordered a similar car ahead of you and decided not to take it. The dealer will probably contact you and see if you'd like to take it. If they tell you that you can have it if you pay another $2500 mark up, THEN you're shafted LOL. If they're scheduled to get 25 and there are 30 orders and yours happen to be the ONLY one of its kind on their list, then yes, you're also shafted as you most likely won't see that car this year. Example: let's just say the 29 orders that came before you were manuals and you had ordered the only automatic from your dealer. Chances are, you're not going to see that car until next year.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
318 Posts
I am a manager at a Subaru dealer in New England, and BRZREP explained everything pretty much spot on. Once we have the cars there pretty much ours to do what we want with them, and basically I am very much on the same page of staying local.....except for when your getting feed a bunch of crap... it's nuts to me the amount you are all having to pay for these, when there are a lot of dealers with cars available all around me... most of which you can get a great deal below MSRP. As a rough example I just looked and there are 75 in new england as I write this and 63 of which are limited 6MT... It almost looks like if you had the time.... flying up and buying one and driving it back would be a pretty decent avenue. If anyone wants a dealer or two to call send me a message and I can tell you who has what.
Nice to see someone else from a dealer, even better from NE. Notice you're also a BRZ owner. I drive 2011 Legacy myself and loves it, but I'm so jealous!!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Well that totally blows. Doesnt make sense. Obviously more want is out west where more supply is out east. Following WRX/STI sales is pretty stupid IMO. They are suited for completely different climates, sure alot of WRX and STI's sell here but thats for people who want a fast AWD car, not people who NEED awd to get to and from work/home/school etc.

Well like i said before we want a 6 speed limited, first color was WR Blue Pearl, second was dark blue, third was pearl white. Im sure just about everyone was ordering along those lines aside from quite afew people probably want black. So id assume alot of the ones allocated will fit with what we asked for and some people on the list will for sure fall off it.
 
1 - 20 of 54 Posts
Top