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Ever since the BRZ/FR-S came out, I have appreciated the concept and especially the aesthetics of the BRZ. Currently, I drive a 370Z Touring/Sport. I traded into it from a C6 Z06 1LZ.

My observations from the swap were:

The C6Z is a much better handling/mannered car. Weight transfer is a product of the driver's intentions vs. an ugly reality of physics when accelerating out of a corner. The suspension had MUCH better rebound control over bumps and pavement irregularities. In comparison, the 370Z feels like an atomic pogo-stick. However, the 370Z is easier for me to place into corners because of how the car feels, and my impression that the steering is a bit more precise, and the sight lines over the hood.

The interior of the 370Z is much better thought out for road trips. The C6Z actually hurt my back (I am 27, fit, 195# and 5'10.5", lift 5 days a week, not some obese 65+ with back issues).

The acceleration never really mattered to me. The Z06 defied the laws of nature, the 370Z, keeps me entertained. Both are plenty of the street, and the C6Z made me feel like I would be a total idiot to actually get what I was paying for---which is part of why I traded.

The C6Z really had no weak points, performance-wise. The 370Z, I am not happy with weight transfer dynamics, how front-heavy it is (I weighed mine at 55/45 with me in it, and it feels every bit of this), or the brakes (I have warped them 4 times, now, just driving to work/home in 22K miles. Nissan takes care of me, but...seriously?!).

Anyway, I am looking at the FR-S/BRZ, like I said. When I buy a car, I throw a V1 in it, tint the windows, and add a cat-back if it needs it for sound, throw the factory rubber away/sell it and slap Michelin PSS's on it. That's it. I don't play with sway-bars, springs, etc. (although in my 370Z, I do run Z1 slotted rotors and Stoptech pads. A week after installation, those are warped, too. You suck, Nissan! I really don't drive that hard, either. Rotors NEVER have heat-spots or ever smell. Even with the new pads.)

I really think to be happy, I need Subaru to drop an STI model of the BRZ. I'm not looking for a redlight rocket, I'm looking for a hard-top S2000.

Will they have a '14 model STI? What is the general opinion about that? I have 22K on my 370Z now, and want to trade it in at the 32-34K mark before the 3/36 expires. It will also be time for new tires at about 40K miles, or so, and between buying an extended warranty, and new tires, that's about $4500 dumped into a vehicle that I feel very "ho-hum" about.

Main things I hope for from the STI, if it drops...

-4-pot brakes
-AT LEAST 8" of rim
-Less weight would be nice, but maybe wishful thinking
-AT LEAST 20whp more, preferably 30-60.
-Interior materials upgrades from the LIMITED trim level to include more leather, Alcantara, and soft-touch synthetics.
-Suspension to take advantage of the brakes/power/tire upgrades.

Concerns:

-The STI isn't going to happen.
-Reliability/durability. My experience with imports, quite frankly, is that my American cars are vastly superior when it comes to staying out of the repair bay. Infiniti and Nissan have both been horror stories for me. GM and Ford, not so much. Imports I have owned literally rot and fall apart with age. All the bushings crumble or turn to mush, etc. Ford and GM rubber is good for decades even set up as a lawn ornament for a few years. VERY VERY negative import experiences. My 370Z being the latest one with its constant brake warping (lets not turn this into a trouble-shoot thread, I've tried everything. New rims, new tires, new alignment, new pads, new rotors, blah blah blah.)
-Allocation...can I actually BUY the thing? Seems there is a waiting list for just the regular BRZ's.
-Service...I have already checked, there is a Subaru dealer where I'm moving.


Thoughts/Opinions/Help are all welcome!

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-Shreveport, LA (moving to NW Arkansas as soon as some paperwork with the BATF gets squared away, on those pretty but very tight roads, I think something with great dynamics will be the most fun, regardless of power.)
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I've owned many Hondas, a Lexus, and a Chevrolet truck. It seems like any car starts to have problems/annoyances with rubber bushings and ball joints at around 150k or 10 years. Generally domestic interiors degrade quicker but over the last 5 years or so they have gotten much better.

I think if I had corvette money to spend I would have bought some sort of Sport package 3 series or an M3. I considered a used BMW but it came down to me wanting a new car instead of one with 24k+ miles on it already. It seems like you just want a 2 seater though so I guess there aren't many options. You might have more fun with an s2k with the removable hardtop and whatever other mods you want at half the price of a limited BRZ.


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Honestly at this point, maybe it would do you well to somehow get a test drive? Maybe even hop into the FR-S version just to get an idea of how it actually feels to you. If you still aren't satisfied, then yes wait for the STI version. But at this point nobody really knows, it is rumored to be anywhere from 20-50hp.

The reason I didn't bother waiting for the STI version is because I'm sure it's going to ride a lot more harsh as well as look a bit more "froo froo" with the additional aero parts.
 

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well, the 2015 model should be the turbo version according to Subaru and Toyota. That's the first year they contractually agreed to sell turbo/supercharged version. The release for 2014 is supposed to be some STI parts to improve handling and breaking. The muffler/exhaust change is not approved for use in the US due to silly laws that prevent auto manufacturers from having exhausts that stick out. This does not stop after market though.

If 2014 is the year you want a new car, then go back to a vette. The new stingray is a great car. 50/50 weight distro, 440+ HP, no for show only parts(everything is functional on it), and the sharpest looking vette in years. If you do not want to spend the money on the new vette, then the BRZ is as close to that as you will find to it in way of performance and handling short of spending more for a Porsche 911.
 

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I would prefer not to get into a vette now. I plan on building a house in the next three years and don't want to hurt my D/I ratio before hand. Maybe after the house.

Is the 2015 turbo model confirmed, or just speculation based on contract? When would it drop, fall 2014?
 

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I've owned many Hondas, a Lexus, and a Chevrolet truck. It seems like any car starts to have problems/annoyances with rubber bushings and ball joints at around 150k or 10 years. Generally domestic interiors degrade quicker but over the last 5 years or so they have gotten much better.

I think if I had corvette money to spend I would have bought some sort of Sport package 3 series or an M3. I considered a used BMW but it came down to me wanting a new car instead of one with 24k+ miles on it already. It seems like you just want a 2 seater though so I guess there aren't many options. You might have more fun with an s2k with the removable hardtop and whatever other mods you want at half the price of a limited BRZ.

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I want a warranty, which kills the S2K idea. Also, I hate convertibles and would have to buy the hardtop for it.

Part of my reason for wanting into another car is to start warranty period over. I'd rather use that several thousand as $ down on a new car vs. buying an extended warranty for one that has already proven to me it's a problem-child.

I would like to keep this at $40K and under so as not to screw up my D/I ratio before building a house in the next 3 years.
 

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I would prefer not to get into a vette now. I plan on building a house in the next three years and don't want to hurt my D/I ratio before hand. Maybe after the house.

Is the 2015 turbo model confirmed, or just speculation based on contract? When would it drop, fall 2014?
The turbo is speculation based upon the contract. However, having said that....Subaru released the turbo version of the FA20 engine that is in the BRZ in the Legacy GT in Japan last year. It was putting down 280 hp in that AWD sedan. The new 2014 Forester also has the FA20 turbo engine as an option putting near 280 hp as well. I'm figuring it will produce close to 300 hp in the BRZ when they can sell it.

As to when they will sell it.....that I am not sure of. Subaru often releases vehicles early spring of the model year as opposed to fall. The 2014 Forester has been for sale for a few months now.

There is also speculation that Toyota lead designer for the 86 project has been looking at making the GT 86 a hybrid using an electric KERS system. Currently, KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) is only used in formula 1 racing. This would make it the first consumer KERS on the market from any auto manufacturer. I would expect Subaru to do the same with the BRZ if that happens.
 

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The turbo is speculation based upon the contract. However, having said that....Subaru released the turbo version of the FA20 engine that is in the BRZ in the Legacy GT in Japan last year. It was putting down 280 hp in that AWD sedan. The new 2014 Forester also has the FA20 turbo engine as an option putting near 280 hp as well. I'm figuring it will produce close to 300 hp in the BRZ when they can sell it.

As to when they will sell it.....that I am not sure of. Subaru often releases vehicles early spring of the model year as opposed to fall. The 2014 Forester has been for sale for a few months now.

There is also speculation that Toyota lead designer for the 86 project has been looking at making the GT 86 a hybrid using an electric KERS system. Currently, KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) is only used in formula 1 racing. This would make it the first consumer KERS on the market from any auto manufacturer. I would expect Subaru to do the same with the BRZ if that happens.
Call me old fashioned, but for a young guy, I prefer older technology. That is, proven technology. KERS sounds like it would be very expensive when it goes wrong on a street going vehicle. It would also drive the price of the BRZ "?" into the stratosphere, compared to where it is supposed to be (mid 20's for the base car. Base cars that sticker in the mid 20's usually make seriously crappy $50K cars that harken back to their cheaper beginnings too often to truly immerse the driver at that price level, IMO).

That said, isn't it stated that a turbo setup will not fit in the BRZ, by Subaru?

Either way, from what you are telling me, the 2015 BRZ, whatever trim levels it brings to the table, should be available shortly after this time in calendar year 2014, yes? I should be very near my 36K basic warranty limit in my 370Z at that point and will be ready to trade.

*Not that KERS isn't proven, but an F1 car/track is not the same as a daily commute, and an F1 car is not something that goes thousands of miles between servicings, and when it is serviced, it's not $29.99 for basic oil and $49.99 for synthetic, lol

Well, this is 20 hours old, as of this post:
http://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-launch-two-new-performance-models-year

Validity? Thoughts?

Then there is this:
http://motoring.ninemsn.com.au/showroom/glance/8665409/sportier-brz-final-wrx-coming

and reading that it will cost $40K, if USD, I think it's a total joke and you would have to be an idiot to pay that for it.
 

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That said, isn't it stated that a turbo setup will not fit in the BRZ, by Subaru?
Where the turbo sits on the Legacy GT is front bottom center. There is room for it to fit there in the BRZ. I had a Subaru mechanic friend of mine look into where it's mounted and how much space it takes. I was going to jump the gun and get it early until he brought up that it had not passed US inspections, could not be gotten in the US, and if imported would be illegal to install/use until they passed inspections.

Well, this is 20 hours old, as of this post:
Subaru to launch two new performance models this year

Validity? Thoughts?
The BRZ S is the STI branding, aero kit, suspension upgrade, exhaust upgrade(not legal for US sales), etc. They trim some weight and improve handling. Here's a link to what the parts are. They have been available for about a year already.

STI - SPORT PARTS - SUBARU BRZ�iZC6�j

You can buy them now from here if any of them catch your eye:

JDM Japanese Auto Parts specialists | japanparts.com

Then there is this:
Sportier BRZ/final WRX coming

and reading that it will cost $40K, if USD, I think it's a total joke and you would have to be an idiot to pay that for it.
If you add up all the add on separately it is a price savings. Personally, I'd wait for the turbo.
 

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Where the turbo sits on the Legacy GT is front bottom center. There is room for it to fit there in the BRZ. I had a Subaru mechanic friend of mine look into where it's mounted and how much space it takes. I was going to jump the gun and get it early until he brought up that it had not passed US inspections, could not be gotten in the US, and if imported would be illegal to install/use until they passed inspections.



The BRZ S is the STI branding, aero kit, suspension upgrade, exhaust upgrade(not legal for US sales), etc. They trim some weight and improve handling. Here's a link to what the parts are. They have been available for about a year already.

STI - SPORT PARTS - SUBARU BRZ�iZC6�j

You can buy them now from here if any of them catch your eye:

JDM Japanese Auto Parts specialists | japanparts.com



If you add up all the add on separately it is a price savings. Personally, I'd wait for the turbo.
If there is a turbo, for sure. If not, there is no way that is a good value, regardless of the prices/items represented. That is Exige pre-owned territory.
 

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Well, a friend of mine is putting a deposit on a BRZ Limited today. I am waiting until I am at 32-34K miles in my 370Z to trade it. That should take 10-12 months. I will observe his over the next year, as well as cruise this board. So far, I REALLY! like the car. If they could somehow work some sourcery to give it a bit more hp, and beef up the suspension a bit to handle some sticky/wider tires, I will be all over it. As it stands, if NOTHING changes, I'll still semi-reluctantly buy one and do some bolt-ons.
 
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