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Don't know how real this is. It doesn't make sense to sell the BRZ at the same price as the FR-S. But if its true then DAMN great for us.

As for the turbo BRZ. I'll still take it with a grain of salt.


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...fr-s-sports-car-insult-200-hp-/1#.T2xmc9nLhZM

Subaru BRZ, Toyota Scion FR-S priced about the same

Subaru says it's not ready to announce specific prices for its BRZ sports car, even though Toyota just announced pricing for the nearly identical Scion FR-S. Subaru does say that the BRZ will start at about $25,000, which makes it similar to the Scion FR-S starting price of $24,930, including shipping, for the manual transmission version, $26,030 for the automatic.

The cars go on sale about the same time -- April or May, as 2013 models. Both are manufactured by Subaru's parent, Fuji Heavy Industries, in Japan. Production there began March 16.

The car uses Subaru's new "FA" four-cylinder "boxer" engine, which is physically smaller than previous Subaru powerplants and thus easier to tuck low in the sports car's chassis for better handling.

It's called a boxer because the flat layout has two pistons on each side, moving back and forth toward and away from each other, as boxers might punch. (Some folks prefer thinking of the designation as coming from the fact that the flat, rectangular engine looks like a box.)

The engine is fitted with what Toyota calls its D-4S fuel injection system. It combines modern direct-injection with older port-injection systems and uses a very high 12.5-to-1 compression ratio, yielding 200 hp and 151 lbs.-ft. of torque.

Chassis comes from Subaru, very loosely derived from the Impreza.

Toyota, not known for its styling expertise, did the exterior design and seems to have hit the target.

Some highlights:

BRZ stands for Boxer (horizontally opposed engine layout), Rear drive, Zenith, meaning top of the food chain.
It's a rear-drive car, the first one of those for all-wheel-drive specialist Subaru since the 1950s, and first ever for Scion, which has been exclusively front-drive.
Though it looks like a hatchback, it's not. Constructing the car with a conventional trunk and the accompanying bulkhead separating the cargo space from passengers makes the car stiffer and able to handle better. Rear seats fold, though, providing pass-through space to enlarge the cargo area.
It's referred to as having "2+2" seating, the auto industry's code for an almost useless back seat.

Subaru seems to have sneaked one past Toyota during the "line-off" ceremony at the factory March 16 -- possibly even an insult in the subtleties of Japanese culture. The big sign at the end of the line celebrates, in bold type, "Subaru BRZ," and, in lighter type, "Toyota 86." Toyota has said the Scion FR-S was inspired by a car it referred to as the 86, but doesn't use either than, or the Toyota name, in its marketing for the Scion sports car.

A turbocharged version is coming, Subaru says, but timing's not set yet.

Specifications for the BRZ, nearly identical to the FR-S:

166.7 inches long
69.9 in. wide
50.6 in. tall
101.2-in wheelbase
Weights about 2,800 lbs.
 

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Yeah, they posted this on ft86club yesterday. I hope its true, really hope the part about the turbo is true. The sooner the better.
 

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Releasing a turbo version will definitely calm a lot critics on BRZs power. But if it does get made, there will be a lot of unhappy first adopters lol.
 

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So I have been reading a minor amount about turbo's (predominantly since I have never owned a turbo car) and it seems they require a larger amount of maintenance than non-turbo cars. Oil temperatures seem to be a big deal along with higher mpg consumption. We have any dudes that know turbo's/cars really well that can explain the cons of owning a turbo based car?
 

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Releasing a turbo version will definitely calm a lot critics on BRZs power. But if it does get made, there will be a lot of unhappy first adopters lol.
Reminds me of the 08 wrx that had sub par reviews in power then came the 09 with a huge difference in speed,etc... I'm sure those buyers were pissed.

Luck would have it that the dealer I put in my preorder decided to try to gouge me with a mark up that I will probably just wait and see what's in store for 2013/14 model.
 

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I remember reading that the engineers were having problems putting a turbo in. They were experimenting with putting a supercharger in instead. There's a thread somewhere.
 

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The FR-S is just at $24 200 before destination, and the BRZ $800 more than that which to me is a hell of a deal. I rather pay $800 more and get a BRZ.

Yeah, they posted this on ft86club yesterday. I hope its true, really hope the part about the turbo is true. The sooner the better.
BRZ coming in turbo will be the big break between these two cars, and it's something that these brands need to set the cars apart. But im afraid of what a turbo BRZ will cost us. Are you guys ready to pay up to $35 000 for a turbo brz? I know it will have me thinking a lot.

Some people will say they can put $35 000 towards a used WRX STI which sounds like a good idea, but is it?
 
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